I have heard a few somewhat reasonable and concise arguments in favor of a pre-tribulation rapture position. One of those was written by Dr Tony Garland. Dr Garland has a distinguished theological education and I’m sure that in many other areas we would agree. He did what I think was a very good job at laying out the primary points in favor of a pre-tribulation rapture, so I decided to use his article as a springboard to refute the pre-tribulational position. I strongly recommend reading his article for reference. Dr Garland begins by answering an anonymous question, “Is there someplace on your site where you’ve laid out your perception of the end times, including who is involved (the Church, the Jews, etc.) in each piece? And/or biblical support for a pre-tribulation rapture? I have been attempting to study the end times, as I’ve always been taught that there is a pre-tribulation rapture, but I’ve never been taught WHY I should believe that is so. My studies, so far, have not turned up any compelling reasons for believing this particular eschatological view, and have turned up some things which would seem to oppose such a view. However, I do not wish to automatically discard this view; I just can’t find anyone who is teaching it with solid scriptural backing! If you are able to provide me with the scriptural basis for this view, it would be a great help.” continue reading→
One of the many arguments I hear in favor the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture is comes from 1Thes 5:9 which reads:
For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ…
This is not an explicit statement that Christians will not be living on the earth during the tribulation, instead it says that God has not appointed or destined Christians to face His wrath. Instead of starting with the assumption of a pre-tribulation rapture and then using this text to affirm it, lets look at what the text says in context and see what other examples of escaping God’s wrath can be found in the Bible and see if they can shed light on this important subject. continue reading→
An acquaintance of mine on twitter suggested I read an article by Dr Thomas Ice that he said was good but probably would not convince me or other post-tribulationists to change our positions. He was right.
Before approaching this subject I believe it would be helpful to quote the Lord Jesus in the entirety of the passage to get the proper understanding of what Jesus was conveying to His Disciples. It is also important to understand how the disciples understood it.
When Jesus gave this teaching, it was immediately following the beginnings of his itinerant teaching along with miraculous wonders. It was also following the time that Jesus’ disciples had returned from preaching that ,”The Kingdom of God is at hand.” The disciples’ ministry was accompanied by many of the same miraculous signs that Jesus performed Himself. Their expectation was that Jesus the Son of David would rule the world as King from Jerusalem in the very near future. Ideas like church age, tribulation saints, and all of the other particularly pre-tribulation rapture ideas were completely foreign to them.
In fairness though they also did not understand Christ’s redemptive purpose either. But let’s approach Jesus’ teaching on this parable with the same understanding they had. continue reading→
What is ITER, you may ask? And what does it have to do with Bible prophecy? Back in the late 1970′s I was asked by my 11th grade science teacher to pick a subject that interested me and to put together a project that proved I had learned something. I chose nuclear power. For those not familiar there are two types: fission and fusion. Fission is the basis of all power producing nuclear reactors in operation today. Fission was also used when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki utterly destroying both cities and ending the war with Japan. Fission occurs when heavy radioactive materials are of a sufficient mass as to start a chain reaction where free flying neutrons strike the nucleus of these atoms causing them to split into different elements and at the same time releasing vast amounts of energy. Fusion is a reaction where lighter atoms are fused together by intense pressure and heat. This reaction is what fuels the Sun and also provides the destructive force generated in a thermonuclear weapon or H-Bomb. A fission bomb has the destructive power of about 20,000 tons of TNT and an H-Bomb can have the destructive force of 10,000,000 tons of TNT. An H-Bomb has never been used in war.
Back when I first studied about these things I also learned about fusion reactors. The Russians have had the most success in their reactor designs having developed the tokamak reactor which is and has been the basis of most experimental fusion reactors built since 1950′s, but even up to the present there has not been a fusion reactor built that could be used practically for power generation. I was not a Christian back in those days, and when looking at the potential benefits to humanity that could be derived from fusion power it looked to me to be the potential savior of of the world. Why? Because if offers a cheap, clean and practically unlimited source of power and could revolutionize the world as we know it today. Now over 30 years later, a full scale 500 Megawatt generator is being constructed in southern France (see article). ITER is a collaborative effort among 34 countries to build the world’s first practical, full size, power generating nuclear fusion reactor. The nations involved in its construction are: United States, European Union, Russian Federation, China, Japan, South Korea and India, representing over half of the world’s population. So what is the prophetic significance of this project? He who has ears, let him hear. continue reading→
I became a Christian in 1985 at the age of 21. My initial exposure to Christianity was through a Church that was a proponent of the “faith movement”. I had been a Christian for a little over a year and had been studying other religions and purchased the late Dr Walter Martin’s book the kingdom of the cults. I was not aware at the time that the faith movement was also unbiblical. I had heard of Dave’s book “The Seduction of Christianity” but had not read it. I was warned by people in my Church saying that reading it would wreck my faith. By God’s providence there was someone in my Church that I found reading Seduction, so I asked him, “Is it ruining your faith?” He said, “No, just the opposite. I think a lot of the things we are being taught are wrong, but my faith in God is stronger now than it ever was.” continue reading→
I discovered this excellent video on the false pre-tribulation rapture and want to share it with my readers.
Be prepared to be shocked and challenged!
Over the years since I have been a Christian I have had many people try to persuade me that the Bible clearly teaches a Pre-Tribulational Rapture.
For those that don’t know what that means, I’ll offer a brief explanation. Among Christians that hold that the Bible accurately records the past and has predicted and continues to predict the future (I happen to be one of those). There are a majority of believers that hold to the idea that at some point in the future Jesus is going to return to the Earth to judge the world and establish His rule over the Earth for a thousand years. In addition to this belief there is also another belief that prior to His return, God is going to bring terrible judgment upon the world in a similar way that He judged the Egyptians during the time of Moses in the book of Exodus. This period of judgement is believed to last for a total of 7 years before Jesus actually returns, and this 7 year period is often referred to as the Tribulation or Great Tribulation. The Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a belief that prior to this Tribulation, true Christians that are alive at that time will be unpredictably and instantaneously caught up from the Earth by God, their bodies transformed into immortal bodies and that during the 7 years of judgement and suffering on Earth, Christians will be in Heaven being spiritually married to Jesus and will be enjoying a 7 year feast.
It is the teaching that Christians will not be present during the Tribulation that I take issue with. When dealing with this subject I will be appealing to the Bible to make my case. Some of the examples will be parallel to other stories or types from scripture and others are declarative statements on the subject. All will demonstrate the the idea of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture is built upon weak presuppositions that can easily be refuted. continue reading→
In your two mentions you made a statement, “@NoPreTrib The tribulation is for the unsaved Gentiles and the Jews. The church will be raptured before hand.” In the second you listed 5 passages of scripture either to support your previous statement or to attempt to establish pre-tribulationism as a Biblical teaching, “@NoPreTrib Rev 3:10, John 14:1-3, 1 Cor 15:51-52, 1 Thess 5:9, 2 Thess 4:13-18.” The last reference I assume you meant 1 Thess 4:13-18 as 2 Thess only has 3 chapters.
Since Twitter does not provide adequate space to respond, I have written this post to address your assertions. continue reading→
I posted a challenge on Twitter for someone to show me where the pretribulation rapture was taught in the Bible. I received one response from ATimeToChoose. His response was that it was taught from Genesis to Revelation, and he gave 2 examples one was of Enoch in Gen 5:24 being taken before the flood, and Rev 4:1 he said typified the pretribulation rapture as well. I responded by agreeing that Enoch was in fact raptured but it does not follow that this passage teaches that the Church will be raptured before the tribulation. With respect to Rev 4:1 again to interpret this as teaching a pretribulation rapture is a big stretch not supported in any clear or direct way. Only by assuming a pretrib rapture can one try to force that kind of interpretation. continue reading→